CSIPASS,Puthiyara(A Fellowship of CSI Puthiyara Church members.(CALICUT(Kozhikode)-4,Kerala,South INDIA).This is a Registered SOCIAL SOCIETY ORGANIZATION under the Indian Societies Act, working for Social Justice,rights and benefits of church members and engaged in Social Work. We are not against any Laymen,Bishops,Priests or Church workers.But we are here to expose the people who give disregard to the Laws of the Land.
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I read in news papers that some issue is in st.Marys church,kozhikode.But never knew that it is a burning issue.In puthiyara why the bishop is so adamant.Once he told me that it is over.But still they are on suspension and facing cases.I congratulate them for challenging the Bishop.As told by aged people nobody can hide the fact for ever.
This is a not an issue of church members alone.Modern Malabar and calicut were built by the Bassel Mission missionaries.
Individuals like earnest and hermon have no idea about the tradition of malabar and calicut.No knowledge about history also.
They thought that with power anything is possible.Poor Bishop is in the gigantic hands of these two fools.The vicar is a kitchen servant of them actually.Shame to our church.
The bishop must visit the church and understand the fact.
Believing two fools will spoil the goodwill of our traditions.Still the bishop like to keep silence no other go but the members have to boycott the vicar.
Bishop is the head of these thieves, csi never seen this type of cheap,cultureless bishop!! Bishop wants all criminal mind achans in his pocket, so he will not do anything favor of the church members. that is the fact. its time to kick this bishop out of our diocese. Bishop, if you have guts, come to Kalamassery church. Why your fearing to visit Kalamassery?!! we will teach you how to behave with people!!
Bishop is always Bishop.He was called by the God.
He knows how to deal with problems.Why your kalamassery achan is not obeying bishop?
It is the power of the Bishop to transfer a vicar to distant places.Norms will be there for transfering vicars.That is different.one year or one year he must obey.Norms are for senior vicars.Elamkulam vicar is too junior.Kozhikode vicars withdrew three cases because they are juniors.
I came to know that the Bishop was defeated in the court in connection with the transfer of two vicars.Court cases are not good for us.I was told that the vicars influenced the judges.Now you will get any order from court if you influence the judges.
First obey then complaint.Heavy influences are there in the courts against this bishop.He has nobody to help.All vicars and laymen have met in trichur and formed unions.
Forming unions against bishop is not good.We can sit and talk.but you should withdraw all criminal cases against the bishop and obey all his actions.criminal cases are not good for us.court will take criminal case if you give money to a court clerk and police party.Please help bishop to win over criminal cases.
Bishop is bishop always.
But when a bishop does everything according to his will and pleasure and cheating the congregations and even the moderator and also political leaders is not a bishop.He is pisaj(SATAN)
Bishop is bishop!! not God or King, he is behaving like king, he is only a servant of God and people, respect people and church members, other wise nobody will hear this criminal bishop's words, dear anonymous (bishop's henchman) we are not illiterate people to blindly support our Achans, there should be a valid reason to transfer within one year, thats y we church members with our Achans. we are forced to go to the court. dont get panic dear. we are ready to talk with bishop. but he is afraid to come to our church! if he is a clean man he can come to our church without fear. Bishop have so many people to help, you dont cry mr.anonymous!! Mr.edapally,Mr.Rony,Mr.shine, Rev.Kurien peter,Rev.Fenn,Rev.Jacob John,Rev.Thomson,Rev.Trevor etc.etc. Pls dont talk nonsense about honorable court. Bishop will have to face more criminal cases soon!! we will not let him go freely. we all the laymen in this diocese is united to save our diocese from this evil bishop..
Dear Anonymous, Bishop is not a Bishop unless he act and behaves like a Bishop. Please talk sensibly.
Dear Mathew, If Achans are transferred by Bishop, they should obey without any complaint. if They can't obey their earthly master, then how can they teach us Eternal Master? They are said "CALLED". then they should show it. rather than complain and cry. They are the root causes of all problems. they split us for their evil intentions and self gains.
Dear clifford,
Achans should odey the orders of the Bishop.It is a must.
But when the Bishop passes illegal and foolish orders what they will do?.
In kalamassery and elamkulam the transfer orders were not as per the norms for transfer.
I understand that it is a part of vengeance.
Norms are common for all Achans whether he is junior or senior.
In kozhikode the three Achans transferred were senior most ones.
It is a fact that court has supported the Achans.Why?.
There are few Achans like david ayyan those are not at all human beings.
Like to know the whole details of the extra ordinary litigations between the Bishop and Achans of kalamassery and elamkulam.
Hope Mr.Mathew will provide the details.
Dear Anonymous,
Yes. Achans should obey the orders of Bishop. That is the Christian way. What is illegal and foolish?? After getting the ordination, achans got some kind of revelation about it??
If the Achans are to spread the GOOD NEWS and are to lead the SHEEP, there are no NORMS. They should happily accept where they are CALLED for. Vengeance means, they have made some mistake and it has been noticed by Bishop. So, they say it is of vengeance Bishop is doing so. Newton’s Third law will explain it in detail: "For evry action there is an equal and opposite reaction".
There is no junior or senior in knowing JESUS CHRIST. All are equal.
Why Achans go to the court?? Because they do not trust in GOD. They trust in earthly courts. If they trust in God, they will not go to court or complain. They will happily accept what they are called for. They are leading a sweat free life. No need to pay for house, electricity, water, fuel, telephone or even food at times. So as the Malayalam saying goes, “Veruthe kittumbol ellil kuthuka anu.”
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Even if I agree senior most, senior or junior, could you tell me whether these CLASSIFIED achans will ever go to an interior church if they are posted?? I guarantee you they will not. They want to SERVE (you can chose the meaning accordingly for serve) only the churches in metros, big cities, wherein there are abundant and rich members. The aim is clear -- MONEY, LAVISH LIFE and HIGH CLASS RESPECT. Can you tell is there any Achan who thinks their work as a SERVICE to GOD?? For most of them, it is their livelihood.
Nobody will go accept a church in interior place. Everybody wants to spread the Gospel in USA or UK and I never heard anyone want to spread the Gospel in African countries. Like that is happening here too. Interior church is like African countries to these Achans.
Please don’t fall into the hands of Achans. They are bound to obey the Bishop. Let them do it. And do not interfere and question bishop for all these transfers and administering the achans. It is his duty. We should look if the achans teach us good Gospel and he leads a Christian Life and of course, if Achans or Bishop do things against the goodwill of our Diocese, we should react as it is OURS. Bishop and Achans will leave after their tenure. Do not trust Achans apart from BIBLE teachings.
My above writing doesn't mean to blindly suppor Bishop. Bishop is the had of Our Diocese and he should act and behave accordingly. Else, he will have to face problems from the laymen.
Rev. Paul David retired in November and he is still the chairman of C.S.I. Cathedral, Calicut. how come?? Bishop is adding fuel to the problems going and I think he enjoys creating problems.
No wonder why so much problems in our diocese. there is a saying in Malayalam. "Monthayam Valanjal kazhukol 64 um valayum"
Mr. Mathew Kalamasseri please provide the details going there.
Very very correct.Not the 64. 101 um ee bishop kaleduthu vecha muthal valanju poyille.
I was told that the achans were given orders by court to continue in the respective churches.
Still they are continuing in kalamassery and elamkulam.
so some truth in it.
So far none of the vicars in any denominations got such orders from court in kerala on their transfer.
Bishop is simply barking.
He is not a person.
please use your time and energy for some other matter.
You can see this bishop behind the bars in a short span of time.
There is a contempt of court case filed against this bishop by priests of these churches.
What else you need more than this.?
There were no contempt cases filed by priests in our knowledge.
And it will be the end of this evil.
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