CSIPASS,Puthiyara(A Fellowship of CSI Puthiyara Church members.(CALICUT(Kozhikode)-4,Kerala,South INDIA).This is a Registered SOCIAL SOCIETY ORGANIZATION under the Indian Societies Act, working for Social Justice,rights and benefits of church members and engaged in Social Work. We are not against any Laymen,Bishops,Priests or Church workers.But we are here to expose the people who give disregard to the Laws of the Land.
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Nothing is going to happen if you repent in dust and ashes. If it is a layman, May be, I repeat May be GOD accept his repentance. But the people who claims that they are called for SERVING GOD who studied Theology and teaches JESUS CHRIST and GOSPEL to people repent for what?? Mistakes or EVIL is contrary to their claims CALLED, Learning Theology and Teaching Jesus and Gospel.
I am sure GOD will turn his head to their prayers and repentance. No doubt about it. One should be sincere in heart at least towards GOD. The hearts of Bishop and Vicars are HARDENED.
Ephesians 4:18
They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.
Teach these FOOLS - IF GOD is there on your side, Who can stand against you??
IF GOD is not there on your side, Who can be there to side you and support??
Dear Laymen,
Our CSI Bishop and Vicars are doing things pre-planned. They are trying us to get away from the Church and when there is not much devotees, they can sell our CHURCHES. It is their aim. it is devilish attitude and they are after it. 99.99% of Vicars are aiming for this kind of happen immediately. In Europe, USA, Australia, many Churches are for sale and many are sold and some former churches are restaurant, hotels, club and motels. What to say!!
ATtitude of Bishop and Vicars should change. They should stand for JESUS and unite the laymen and proclaim the GOSPEL of JESUS CHRIST.
Read: Churches Going on Sale
By Clive Freeman
BERLIN, May 5, 2008 (IPS) - What do you do with churches that have long since lost their congregations? In Germany, some are put up for sale, and get converted into luxury apartments, offices, theaters, bistros and restaurants.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=42232
Clifford,
You said it right. GOD will not listen to their repentance. I think you are a Vicar.
James 4:1-12
4:1 Where do wars and fightings among you come from?
Don't they come from your pleasures that war in your members?
4:2 You lust, and don't have. You kill, covet, and can't obtain.
You fight and make war. You don't have, because you don't ask.
4:3 You ask, and don't receive, because you ask with wrong motives,
so that you may spend it for your pleasures.
4:4 You adulterers and adulteresses, don't you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
4:5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain,
"The Spirit who lives in us yearns jealously"?
4:6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."
4:7 Be subject therefore to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
4:8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you.
Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
4:9 Lament, mourn, and weep.
Let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to gloom.
4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he will exalt you.
4:11 Don't speak against one another, brothers.
He who speaks against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law.
But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge.
4:12 Only one is the lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy.
But who are you to judge another?
I have a problem with the Vicar and committee. I am waiting 8 months for a reply from Vicar, Committee and Bishop.
Now, when the Powers of Bishop and other parasites are gone, Where will I complain my grievance and get justice?
Please let us know.
prakash, good question. I wanted to ask this question also.
I too have problems with Vicar and Committee. They are keeping silence for my complaint as like def and dum.
Please let us know where should we contact for JUSTICE?
please tell the addresses of perons to contact for complaints against Achan and committee. I also have complaints for not giving justice. i am waiting 13 months for a reply from church.
Please do not generalize the word "Vicar" because I know there are very dedicated, sacrificing, cross bearing Vicars in our diocese. We should appreciate their work in spite of such corrupt leadership. This I refer to Mr. Clifford's comments addressed to Laymen. All the other points I appreciate.
Dear Mr.Jacob Reginald,
You are right and I too know there are some good vicars. GOOD WILL ALWAYS BE GOOD. malayalam word is good for it -- "THARAVADIKAL".
This is very good medium to gather up collective opinions about different issues among us. But before posting the opinions, a responsible person of this site should study the matter thoroughly. This is my strong commend on this endeavor. Otherwise the result will be adverse.
For instance the long deliberated issue of Samuel Hebick Church Kannur is quite personal which, might surely have distorted readers goodwill against a Pastorate committee decision.
The people who know the real story of this drama do not propagate those claptraps and digressing the readers. The Vicar and pastorate committee have discouraged a court case by pending the reply. That was the sole intention of the Pastorate committee. Whereas, she (the sender of the letter), needed a written document from the church against her father. Instead of addressing a long existing marriage brake up and its related issues, we can easily conclude it by putting blame on church and its PC decision. Last 30-32 years there were no claims and attachments between the husband and wife. Both led very independent life without bothering each other, since then. Now both are aged and have separate settlements and life arrangements as their own. After the reunion was impractical, the husband found another woman as a concubine and brought her to his house. At the moment he wants to settle two things 1) look after his concubine who lived for a long time with him and abandoned every thing for him. 2) Partition his property to his daughter. With this intention he sent a divorce notice to his wife. After receiving the notice, his wife and daughter sent a letter to PC that asking the PC to take immediate action against his illicit intimacy and renounce him from the church register.
PC members tried to settle the issue amicably but their contumacious and stubborn approaches derailed the attempts.
This is the story
I don’t think the role of vicar and secretary in this story is partial. Church verdict must be based on and prevail both Christian ethics and humanitarian concern
Pearcy M Lambert
Kannur
Dear Percy M. Lambert,
So, you agree there is a chance of Court Case.
Things discussed were not receiving a reply from Vicar and Committee. now, things are coming out. as faR as I know. The CHOVVA CSI Samuel Hebich's Church Vicar and Committee is DOING GREAT MISTAKE AND INJUSTICE. I know personally things and the Mother and daughter is RIGHT and TRUTH is on their side.
Vicar and Committee is not supposed to decide on their own and keep silent for a written complaint. Have you read the CSI constitution?? If not, read it carefully. for any complaint, the vicar and committee has to reply within 30 days.
We are deeply indebted to you for exposing the life of the so called male person in the issue. you have explicitly stated that the person found a CONCUBINE for himself.
Hope you know the meaning of concubine. so, thanks. a person in search of a concubine and brings her home as his life partner reveals the morality of the person and who ever side him are also such. if you people believe that this is christian morality, then you better change the constitution of the CSI and better bring out a new BIBLE too rectifying the teachings of Christ which says that a person who divorces his wife/husband shouldn't re-marry. if such a person remarry, he/she is breaks one of the 10 commandments. hope you understand this thing.
Now, you have started discvussing the personal life of people from your point of view which no decent person would do.
as to the matter of taking up the issue now, A TRUTH, even after a 100 years will remain a truth albeit opposed by and hidden by the entire world for such a long time.
you are expressing your opinion in favour of one of them seems to be as if you were the one who witnessed all the happenings in between them personally living with them. you forget that there is a person who is a witness to all that happend. if you dare find out who that is and talk to that person.
Without divorce the person brought home that too a concubine and living together. this is appreciated by the Vicar and the Committee. What the hell these people teach?? BIBLE or SATANIC ways??
So, it is clear that Chovva CSI Samuel Hebich's Church Vicar and Committee appreciates only Immoral life. thanks Mr. Percy M. Labert.
MEANING of Concubine:
a woman who cohabits with a man to whom she is not legally married, esp. one regarded as socially or sexually subservient; mistress.(in other words: Prostitute.)
(This concubine woman is appreciated by the Vicar and committee and woman who married legally, as per christian law and married in CSI Church is not accepted by the Chovva CSI Samuel Hebich's Church !!)
SIR,I suspect that this website owners encouraging cold war without knowing the real fact.There are hundred issues in connection with the inhuman and cruel approach of the diocesan leadership.In kannur so many issues are there in churches.It has to be discussed and solved there itself.But sending replies to letters are most important.The Bishop and other vicars always fail to reply to the letters of church members.The initial problem starts from there.According to my experience the vicar of this church is a good administrator.He is very bold also.He was working in puthiyara church also.He keeps very good relationship with puthiyara members.I request both of you to settle the issue as soon as possible.The topic 'REPENT IN DUST AND ASHES' should not be diluted or diverted.
What Latha Kannur said is correct. its "inhuman and cruel approach of the diocesan leadership".
After reading the comment by Pearcy M. Lambert, I called up the complaint party and asked whether any committee members have contacted them for any settlement. I was shocked hearing what they have said. Chovva CSI Samuel Hebich's Church Committee members contacted them and took 1000 Rupees as Travel Allowance for Vicar and other expenses. !! What is this!!! and after that, none of the Committee contacted them or approached them for any kind of settlement.
REPENT in DUST and ASHES is apt for this kind of complaints. From the ROOT level things should be corrected. not from top to bottom. from bottom to top has to be corrected.
I know the girl and mother personally and I know things very well. All these years the mother and the girl was on the suffering end. I know, one Bishop, many vicars stood against the mother and girl and they appreciated the Man to lead a life as he wanted, now, the girl is highly educated and self sufficient. There is a law by Newton - FOR EVERY ACTION, THERE IS A EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION.
Why vicar and committee is afraid of court case?? if they are right and correct, why they are afraid of??
Vicar may be a good administrator. its not the question here. the question is What does he did not the immoral and illicit life of a member of his member when other party prompted it??
is he siding it??? I guess so. then, I have to doubt him as DOUBLE FACED. I am sure the mother and girl is up for court case. its better for the vicar and committee to settle things before they go court.
The blog owners have to post CSI members grievances. Boldness should show in actions and decisions. A good administration is based on decisions and actions taken on appropriate time. I can be Tough and BOLD to those come to me. its nothing. but just a show off.
don't stop publishing frievances of CSI members.If you stop publishing grievances of CSI members in your blog, we will start another blog for CSI North Kerala Diocese members grievances.
I am shocked reading Pearcy M Lambert's comments. What ever he said is WRONG. I have seen things with my eyes. Sounds like Mr. Pearcy, the VICAR and Committee of Chovva CSI samuel Hebich's Church appreciates Immoral, Illicit, un ethical, against Christian life.
from his comments itself, it is very well stated how immoral life that man is leading and the vicar and committee and Mr. PEarcy also appreciates it.
Humanitarian consideration is given to the right person. Complainant pointed out the unethical and immorality and Vicar, Committee and their people TALKS about humanity, ethics and Christianity!!!!!!!!
The Chovva CSI Sanuel Hebicg's church vicar was Manager of BEM Schools. once he got that post, he thought himself something GREAT. I had a very BAD experience. Once I went to his office and asked if there is any vacancy for my wife. He said in shouting voice DON'T EVER THINK FOR A VACANCY. I was so sad. I helped him a lot when he had trouble at Kannur, Manager post.. I even went for meetings in front of manager office when he called and asked me to go there with as much as people I could bring.
Even he asked me to arrange GUNDAS for his protection and to handle other parties. after that incident, I keep him away. he could have told me at present there is no vacancy in a good way.
Chovva CSI Church VICAR IS NOT A CLEAN SLATE.
Don't stop publishing CSI member's grievances. I somewhat guessed the parties of Chovva Church problems. The Girl and Husband is not illiterate.
I don't know why they keep silent. That silence is not good for CSI Chovva Samuel Hebich's Church Vicar and Committee.
The Vicar and committee is the culprit and they are creating and worsens this problem.
TRUTH is on the side of the Girl and her Mother. You can not hide the TRUTH for always.
Our good friend Mr Pearcy M Lambert,
your write up regarding the Samuel Hebich's Church, Chovva was a great great revelation for me. in fact i rang up as many people as i could regarding the matter. i heard from my small age itself that any time after the year 2000 Christ will come. Since you are trying to correct the teachings of Christ which for you now must be out of fashion and not suiting you. that is why you corrected the gospel of Mathew - 19: 9-10. your are really a great person who has been appointed by God to correct those teachings and commandments out of fashion. the above verses say that a man who abandons his wife for no reason other than prostitution and marries another woman does prostitution. from your comment it is clear that the man of chovva issue has taken a prostitute. you are siding him saying that he has lived with the concubine for so many years.isn't that prostitution for you? if not you must have corrected the scriptures and its teachings. only God has the right to do it. if you did it , then are you God or Christ? are you Christ's second coming? or the anti-Christ??? do you have the new edition of the age old BIBLE corrected and wrote once again by you? if you are ready to sell all of us are here to buy it. it will justify all the sins we do. easy life for us and good business for you.
Why the Vicar and Committee is worried about Court Case if they are right??
I am sure, the false is on their side.
Percy M. Lambert is the Vicar I think. else, how an outsider could talk about the letter and decisions of committee and vicar??
Committee and vicar is the Problem creators.
it is the pathetic stage of modern era Christianity and CSI is not at all traveling different from it.... church committee and parish priest are not all all interested in the problems and pain of laymen, all are behind power and politics.they have enough time to conduct election campaign but no time for hose visits and special prayer. they will suppress who ever speaks against them .
The chovva Vicar is just trying to create an image - GOOD ADMINISTRATOR to become a manager of Schools or Colleges. That is his aim.
now onwards no administration posts should given to Vicars.
the Military people is good for that. let them handle it and let the vicars do spiritual work only.
The above mentioned vicar was one crore times better than the david ayyan.All workers including the sweepers know it very very well.He took his job very seriously.number of cases were only very few.
As a retired non teaching staff I expect his reappointment as school manager.
I am very much impressed.csipass blog bringing out so many matters.I suggest the blog owner politely to strictly adhere to the rules and regulations.
Kindly discourage the comments with names of persons.
Since I am very much aware of the nature of our bishop let them go to court.It is the fate of our poor laymen.
Managership in schools or College are not a Vicar's Work. His work is to SERVE the LORD JESUS CHRIST among the Church members and other.
Let his aim be that. There are many laymen to manage the Schools and college - like the Military people.
Anonymous got an impression like. but many of others got other opinion about that Vicar as Manager. There are so many incidents where that manager behaved like a Dictator. I do not want to discuss about it here.
Let the Vicars do their work as they are called for.
manager ship...if it goes to wrong hands imagine what all will be happened, even if a laymen becomes manager there should be an achan above him also in the system, see the catholics how beautifully tey run there institution with achans and nuns heading it????
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